after you, is doing into the way president trump tried to overturn the election. a former top official described trump's direct instructions to push false fraud claims. i know you condemned lies about the election, but what does it tell you about the lengths that the former president was willing to go to overturn the election? >> first, what you just described, one, if it happened, it's wrong. let's say that. secondly, as you described it, and i read "the new york times" article, unnamed official in a closed-door session reportedly said this. it still meets the definition of hearsay at this point. if it happened, it's wrong. on the other hand, i would like some sort of validation beyond that which i just described. >> senator bill cassidy, thank you for joining me. >> thanks, dana. >> thank you. we could have been one trump move away from a full-blown coup attempt. the chairman of the committee investigating a plot to overturn the election inside the justice department joins me next.