you have a court that, over its history, some -- i don't know if it's 110, 115 supreme court justices. you look at the pictures -- >> a lot of white male faces. >> you said it. so how we make sure that, again, our court is representative of the country, and so i want to make sure that the president nominates an exceptional candidate, an exceptional individual, and i would be honored to be able to support an exceptional african american woman. >> i think basically the court should represent the makeup of our country. it's time for this. it's absolutely time. >> big picture, this is the last question for both of you. what are the forces that are making bipartisanship difficult and how do we change the incentive structure in this