is convicted. so amazing, trump is more popular today than it was four years ago. biden is less popular today and we know everything there is to know about donald trump. and so i guess i'm a little dubious that it conviction here is going to tank him. i maintain that there will be voters who if he is convicted in any criminal trial may hesitate once they get in the ballot box and in november, but this one seems to be trivial. it seems to be politically motivated, and i do think what trump says about it as having an impact on republicans. >> but i also think anytime the backdrop of your campaign as a courtroom that's not good, right? i mean, trump, we know that this is an argument that this argument that this is a witch hunt has been motivating to the maga base got it. that is very clear, but we also saw throughout the primary process a not insignificant number of republicans refuse to vote for him and would vote for nikki haley even after she dropped out of the race, there's clearly some concern about him and what this does is it just reminds people of the chaos, particularly for women, for women voters. i think it is more problematic we've seen