arif before that. but arif said we had to go more to arm the, and we start working together, right here in miami, down at criterion. >> well, i was in studio b. and arif says to me, carl, have i got a group for you. and of course, everybody knew the bee gees. there was a surprise out of nowhere. i was excited. you know, they sing like angels. and if they were excited as i was, and arif was right in there with him. >> i said look, if you ever want to break out brand-new, you've got to start now. you've got to shop the hands of these people who don't believe you. >> robert came in sauce when we are making the album, sat down with us on the beach and said right. we're going to start from scratch. this is going to be it. let's make a big. >> what if you said to me or anyone just go and write a hit song right now, they would be able to craft something good, but it probably be missing this magic that if you work in music long enough you understand is