spending too much money, voters are actually with them on a lot of that. you shut down the government, you immediately light on fire any goodwill you have from voters in the middle who are otherwise with you on these issues. it makes you look like the crazy party. and it has been fascinating to me to watch all of these freedom caucus folks treat speaker johnson as this traitor, like he's one of them and he's supposed to be doing their bidding as speaker, and suddenly he's out there saying things like "we need to be the adults in the room, we need to govern." governing is hard, speaker johns is discovering this, and i think the freedom caucus, they have to realize at this point that this whole gambit to put one of their own in charge, it's not yielding anything for them because that's not how governing works. >> but lulu, you say they are the crazy party. and that's the question. you know, a lot of -- >> i don't think it's the crazy party. it's the group -- >> a lot of them feel very strongly about that the spending they agreed to with the democrats is too big. a lot of them feel strongly you got it use there to get tougher