public officials. this isn't necessarily people with mental illness so much as people in a really bad corner of the internet and think this is funny. and that is just terrifying. >> lulu, i mean, that gets to the question why are people doing this. is there a purpose behind bomb threats and swatting public officials? >> i believe that there's a purpose. i believe that that purpose is to intimidate. i don't think that it is a game, and i think that there is an intent to actually persuade people to perhaps act differently. and i think we're seeing that. i mean, when you see people swatting president trump's, you know, judge, it might have an effect. people are afraid. if you see people swatting politicians, those politicians, we don't know might they change their votes, might they behave differently than they would otherwise. i think that there's this pernicious effect that happens when we see this kind of political violence spreading in