shut down the government, around the border, over spending too much money. voters are actually with them on a lot of that. you shut down the government, you immediately light on fire any goodwill you have from voters the middle who are otherwise with you on these issues. it makes you look like the crazy party. and it has been fascinating to me to watch all of these freedom caucus folks treat speaker johnson as this trader. like he's one of them and he's supposed to be doing their bidding as speaker and now suddenly he's out there saying things like, we need to be the adults in the room, we need to govern. governing is really hard. speaker johnson is discovering this. and i think the freedom caucus, they have to realize at this point that this whole gambit to put one of their own in charge is not yielding anything for them because that's not how governing works. >> but lulu, you say they are the crazy party. that's the question. >> i don't think it's the crazy party. it's the group. >> a lot feel very strongly with the democrats spending is too