to start tapping that phone, it's got to go to the ffisa cor ask for a warrant. >> has the fisa corp turned down any requests? >> the requests are surprisingly small, number one. numb beer two, folks don't go with a query unless they've got a pretty good suspicion. >> should this be transparent in some way? >> it is transparent. that's why we set up a fisa corp. >> it is transparent. transparent. it is an interesting word to describe the fisa corp that operates with total near secrecy. >> what do you think of me? >> the fisa court is also not a court in the way most of us understand. there are not two sides to every case and there's no one there to challenge what they claim through the fisa corp. and joining me to discuss the