charges against him, 30 charges. he pled not guilty to each of the charges. what's so interesting about this, jake, is he actually had a very accidentive russian accent. when i spoke to his wrestling coach who happened to be here they were flabbergasted. and he said he just couldn't see it. he was fidgeting, at the looked disinterested. he was slumping. there was no sense of really the seriousness of what was going on inside the courtroom, jake. >> deb, we can't confirm it, but there was someone there who looked like catherine russell, joe kar save yes's sister-in-law, the widow of his brother. did you see her? >> reporter: we saw two women, two younger women who looked --