word in a drinking game, we have knocked out a fraternity by halfway through the show. but the problem was, nothing was incredible. you kind of knew what was going to happen. so i think, you know, they still have got a great team there. >> look, i'm a fan. i have an ipad, i'm holding my iphone, i want to believe in this -- >> they make really good products. they still do. great company. >> are they going to wow us ever again? >> oh, sure. i do think that, you know, couple years ago, when steve was nearing the end of his life, he would talk quite a bit about the things that he really wanted to do, transform, the next wow, having done a tablet, having done a phone, having done a music player. i think he would love to have broken the sort of brain-dead way tv is connected to remote controls, to cable and you don't really have control, you can't just walk into a room late in the evening and say put on the latest jake tapper and boom, the tv puts it on for you. you got to figure out what channel is it on. >> i don't know about you. i have like 15 different