at last count. and disrupting services, and no pressure here, but we will also be hitting the debt ceiling on thursday, at which the government will not have all the money to pay all its bills. the house is not expected to vote today on the gop plan to raise the debt limit in the short term. now we're hearing this weekend, perhaps. earlier in the day, president obama met with senate republicans at the white house just as he met with house republicans last night. i want to bring in one of the players who was in that meeting this morning, senator johnny isaacson from georgia. i want to apologize ahead of time because when carney comes out, in case he has something important to say, i will rudely cut you off, then we'll come back to you after he's done. >> i've been bumped by jay before. >> is that right? okay. he's at the -- there he is. he's about to start. >> thank you for being here. thank you for your patience. it's obviously been a long afternoon and i just wanted to make sure that before i came out to you, i could provide you with