be practical now in washington and lose the primary to win the general without violating your principles. it's not an easy task, to be honest with you. >> jim, you went on to praise mitt romney but it seemed to be that he was kind of taking a shot at mitt romney running too hard to the right, especially on an issue where they really disagree -- >> i have to point out, it's not often that someone says you have to run a downbeat campaign, as negative as possible. if jeb bush runs, he's going to have two big problems with the conservative base. one is immigration. it's some variation and conservatives don't like that and the second one is com core and they set their hair on fire. they cannot stand it. they can't understand their kids homework and circles and pictures and they suddenly elect -- wait a minute, why is my teacher speaking a different language to me?