around and banging himself in the van? i've been saying this for 48 hours or more before i even learned about this. this is the most egregious case in modern times that i can think of from the very beginning. they placed him in a hard-type position. prone, and brought his hands back behind him. they briefly sat him up and then placed him in that position again. when they put him into the van, they placed him again into a full hog-tied position prone, face down legs shackled hands brought -- that procedure was banned more than 20 years ago. where have these officers been? the international association of police chiefs, the royal canadian police force, of police force in every metropolitan city has talked about not having the hog-tied position. he's in that position yelling, screaming for help and his body inert. there's the velocity.