going to get a guy that shoots straight and tells you what he thinks. i've been out to eat with him and bash before and they are on constant alert. they're watching other people in a restaurant making sure that the folks aren't pointing at them whispering talking on the phone or taking picture the or anything else that would indicate that they've been be a threat. just imagine living that lifestyle they've been forced into it's no easy proposition. >> yeah but -- saying it's a mixing pot, what does that mean? it sounds like he's saying he doesn't want to go to an area where there's other races other than whites maybe i'm reading that wrong. what did he mean? you spoke to him at length. >> i have talked to him a couple times. i didn't ask him specific about what he meant in the comments that he made in the new yorker. he was disappointed by the article, he thinks it casts him