3,200 companies. the biggest, the best are fairly well defended, even they can be penetrated. the smallest don't have the money for it and are not well defended. and because of the nature of the internet if you can penetrate one of the small ones, you can work your way back to the computerized systems that controls the balance between energy production and energy consumption. what has to happen on the grid is there has to be a perfect balance between power that is generated and power that is consumed. if for any reason at all you can get into that computerized system, which maintains that perfect balance, you can destroy the whole thing. >> so what do you recommend? what needs to happen? >> well, what needs to happen at the very least is we need to be prepared for the consequences of this. and i would say, jake, we are at a perfect time in our history, we're right at the beginning of a major political event in our