call? >> reporter: basically they thought this would get democrats off their back and stead it has done the opposite with democrats doubling down and focusing they say potentially on the president's conduct with the ukrainian president and instead in turn president trump has essentially beenen credulous. he thought his efforts to reach out to nancy pelosi yesterday were going to get democrats to back off of this. it has done right the opposite, jake. >> kaitlan collins traveling with the president in new york. thanks so much. as we await for the president, let's chew over this with our experts. bill let me start with you. why do you think president trump thought that releasing this transcript was somehow going to clear things up as opposed to the reaction that it got from democrats and people like mitt romney and people like yourself? >> i think the house had made clear enough that if he didn't release the transcript, that itself will be impeachable for obstruction. so maybe they're telling everybody it is going to clear us and getting away with gaslighting that i suppose they