quick read and that is direct linkage between our taxpayer dollars and the request for ukraines to do opposition research and this names a lot of names. gives the democrats on the hill a lot of potential to say i want to talk to other people to corroborate this. this is rough. >> and lara, from the top diplomat in the u.s. ambassador in ukraine describing a call with ambassador sondland running the point when it comes to the president's push for this and said ambassador sondland tried to explain that president trump is a businessman and when a business man is about to sign a check to something that owes him something, the business man asks him to pay up before signing the check. and then he goes on to say ambassador kurt volker used the same terms. what do you make of that? >> i make of it that there is -- he was not mistaken, but he thought there was a quid pro quo at stake here. he is not mistaken that was a one-off, it was a calculated