today we saw a modified limited hangout. >> define what that is. >> the difference being when i testified, i had to turn on all of my colleagues to really tell the story. most people don't understand that watergate wasn't about the bungled burglar for nixon, about the fact the same people involved in watergate worked in his white house and had undertaken similar activities for his white house. and that is what they were really covering up. so i had to open that door and lots of other doors and explain the context in which this is all happened. that was much broader testimony and much more incriminating for many more people. >> and you feel like sondland was pulling his punches -- >> he did not talk about the full scope of what was going on. he's an intelligent man. he knew this was wrong activity. he knew they were really not in channels when they were doing this. although they tried to paint it back in. so i say, i think it is a more modified limited important