surmounting reasonable doubt because it is a higher standard in criminal court. >> this raises questions about the legal definition of retaliation. why is that so important in this case? >> yeah. one of the most damning allegations, when ii did not hear addressed at all today, is that the people around the governor retaliated against several of these witnesses. that first of all could give rise to civil liability. there could be a lawsuit over that. it also goes to consciousness of guilt. you wouldn't retaliate against somebody unless you feared what that person had to say, unless you had bad intentions. so watch for that. >> all right, thank you all so much. we'll be right back. the safe pilots. for mac. who can come to a stop with barely a bobble. lucia. who announces her intentions even if no one's there. and sgt moore. who leaves room for her room.