hindsight and look, but the idea that somehow there's a way to have gotten out without chaos ensuing, i don't know how that happens. >> do you agree with that? >> i think there's a distinction to be made here about the decision to withdraw. i think you're wright. i've been supportive of the ending of our combat mission in afghanistan. after 20 years it's proven there was no military solution here and i continue to agree with that. i do not think that the non-combatant or the civilian evacuation has gone well and according to plan. i'm still trying to figure out what exactly that plan was and that's, why jake, i've been calling since april to start this evacuation. as soon as the president said that he was going to withdraw american combat forces, i knew that we could be in this position, that we might be fatesing this challenge right now, and that's why i said let's start the evacuation, get american citizens out, our afghan partners out. we could have been so much further ahead and in a different position now had we started back in april when me and my colleagues started to call for