infrastructure deal and the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill. both of them are at risk of collapsing. let's discuss. kasie, i have not seen conservatives railing against the budget deal the same way that i have seen conservatives, for example, going after obamacare in the past. you know what i mean? do you think the moderate opposition to it, whether it's gottheimer and other moderate democrats in the house or manchin, sinema in the senate, do you think that's truly out of principle? they actually think this is going to be bad for the economy? or are they afraid of being attacked? >> yeah, i'm not sure i agree with you 100%, jake. i take it -- >> that's not allowed. >> i know it's your show. >> go ahead. tell me. >> i think they know, and people are already talking about congresswoman jayapal was on with brianna keilar and said that lamb and other moderates are working with them and saying we're going to clip and save