biden to be fdr meaning big, sweeping, government programs. they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos. she is suggesting these big, sweeping, multi trillion dollar bills actually are not what voters want >> i mean, i would argue if that is the case to be normal and not have chaos that's kind of what he has done to date. and yet you have devastating losses for democrats, right? yesterday. i don't know that that's entirely the message. i mean, i am convinced virginia had a lot of nuanced, distinct factors. some of this is youngkin was really the man who led a better campaign. some is you spend time in virginia and democrats alone were bored, uninspired by terry mcauliffe. they'd be at his rallies and say this isn't the guy i wanted. there is i think some degree of perhaps over analyzing. we all want to take lessons from virginia and i get it because it is the big off year election but i also think there are distinct things that happened in the governor's race tied to the two men who ran. >> we also talked to the moms