plays out. but it's been a day of disarray for democrats that they've tried to keep the caucus together. tried to get both bills through their -- the house but it's possible neither will pass and they may go to recess with nothing. >> manu raju on capitol hill, thank you. i want to bring in the panel. look, generally dems in disarray is considered a -- democrats often make fun of the media for saying democrats in disarray. i think it's fair. i think we can bring it out of the discarded cliche bin and say this is disarray. do you think speaker pelosi knows that she has the votes as she almost always does or is she gambling? >> i've seen speaker pelosi count votes before. i think she thinks she has the votes. the question is, are they there? remember this. there's what people say they want in public and it's what they really want. and so what they really want is saying in quiet conversation one on one and what she said today, i've got my private speaker count and i don't tell anybody,