half a dozen videos frame by frame, they were looking to see whether kyle did something to provoke the threat and whether his response to that threat was reasonable in terms of using deadly force. and they agreed with the defense that it was. in other words, the evidence was very clear that each time kyle rittenhouse shot at each of these men, that he was facing imminent danger of great bodily harm or death and that he had not provoked that threat. so i think this is absolutely the just result. i've been doing this for almost 20 years doing trial -- criminal trials, and not based on politics and emotions but just based on the law and the facts, this was 100% warranted, pam. >> charles coleman, do you agree? you're a former state prosecutor. >> well, i wouldn't say that it was a just result, but i would agree with sara, that if you watched the trial from beginning to end and saw how things unfolded, it's very difficult to disagree with the actual verdict that the jurors came to. i think there are a lot of