interesting testimony. >> it's pretty clear marc short would not have cooperated with at least some sort of sign-off from former vice president pence. he's a very loyal man to make pence. do you think pence himself will testify if he is asked or issued a subpoena? >> it is hard to say, right? there's a fine line between chief of staff going up and the vice president himself going. it's going to be a big, let's wait and see. i would not expect to see the vice president. marc was there. i've spoken with marc after, about the events of that day. he's a patriot, a good man. i think he has a lot to share with the xhae. i would not expect to see the vice president himself testify. >> let's turn to mike nobles saying he might pardon some of the people who were charged for attacking the capitol on january 6th if donald trump is reelected. do you think he's serious about that? or do you think he's just riling