countries. do you think it is possible or even likely that putin would start to take over other countries if he is successful in ukraine? >> i think that we've seen a history of him going further. it starts with chechnya, then it moves in 2008 to georgia. then in 2014, crimea, and donbas and now this. i don't know why we would be surprised if we don't stop him here, that he doesn't continue with his am tight for rebuilding the empire. that said, you know, we have risks today with the bombing of nuclear reactor plants, if god for bid one of those walls cracks, this will affect nato without anyone ever invading nato. so i think we need to take had extraordinarily seriously. this has to be put to rest in ukraine as quickly and urgently as possible. >> i misread that, by the way. that's something that you said to a journalist on the website, unheard.