that movement here tonight. they're both writers. susan brown miller had a piece in "the sunday times" a couple of weeks back, and sally kempton. >> i think i had every women's lib star on the show, once with hugh hefner of "playboy." that was exciting. >> what do you think men are doing wrong? >> they oppress us as women. they won't let us be. and hugh hefner is my enemy. >> is hef your enemy? we really set you up tonight. >> i'm more in sympathy than perhaps the girls realize -- >> women. >> i'm sorry. >> women. yes. i'm 35. >> than the ladies realize. i use "girls" referring to women of all ages. >> you should stop. >> they came on, i would say, to gut hugh hefner. >> the day you are willing to come out with a cotton tail attached to your rear end. >> women had so much to talk about because the dialogue on so many of our issues was controlled by men. >> there are some of you who reject men altogether. they won't sit in the same room