>> so what does that say to you that these two young women were in the cockpit on an international flight invited by this co-pilot, one of the pilots of this malaysia airliner? >> i haven't a clue. i can just tell that you international flights are boring with the door locked. you may have pilots watching netflix on their ipad. but that goes beyond the pale. it violates every code of conduct. i don't believe ma-- malaysia a would be shocked at that. i think it's just someone looking for publicity to be honest with you. >> what do you say, chris? >> it's tough to put it in context with that amount of information. it's quite possible it shows an err in judgment in one area and might have nothing to do with their ability to pilot the plane. so without that, it's hard to condemn anyone based on that amount of information. >> richard, you spent time with this co-pilot just the other day.