how do you explain the massive disconnect between the taliban messaging right now and the reality of life under taliban rule? >> well, the taliban wants to project this image that they are a more mature, thoughtful, diplomatic political force and that they have learned from the mistakes of their past. in the late '90s and early 2000s, they took a lot of heat. they refused to allow women to be educated. they say they have learned from that, that women can be educated. i asked the tabel today if he would allow him to continue to work as journalists, and he said provided they wear a full facial covering and gloves and don't interact with men that they could continue their work. obviously realistically on the ground, it will be difficult to sort of compromise those two ideas or reconcile those two ideas, i should say.