buddy hackett. >> someone said to me hey, conan, describe your comedic philosophy, i would say it's a ven diagram. it's two circles. one is smart. one is silly. you push them partway together, and it's that intersection. >> conan o'brien's success caused him to start getting feelers from other networks. >> he's still at 12:30. that's considered aaa ball. it's time for him to move up to the majors. >> the first approach we had was from fox. and they made a pretty heavy pitch at that time. >> what i remembered is that the booklets were leather. i don't know why i was so impressed. >> they went to the trouble to kill cows to bring me to fox. >> we're trying to figure out what to do. and we're looking at our options. and then nbc came to us, figuring they're going to lose him at some point and that jay