director for the 2020 biden-harris campaign. david, to that point and the reason i'm fixated i get where the primary is at, tell me how this matters in the fall. >> if -- this has been effective in fundraising and rallying his people and effective in a primary. are they thinking through how this plays when he's locked in a courtroom as he has to be in a general election? >> i don't think we're there yet. i think they want to make sure he is the nominee and i think they're trying to get it wrapped up sooner rather than later. i think the campaign strategy thus far has been let's get this primary over very quickly so we can pivot to the general election campaign. i don't think that's been high on the list, phil, in terms of trying to expand the voter pool and move past the primary. i think they're going to try -- yesterday went than it did, i don't think it went particularly well. it got sidetracked. some of the questions asked by the court, can you kill somebody and get away with it, the president's lawyers should have