well, barack obama had not even emerged at this point. >> no, but he had, if you go back to 2004 he emerged at the democratic national convention, people were writing columns urging him to run. i was writing columns as a kid urging him to run. and there was a little bit of that with elizabeth warren, but nobody looks at elizabeth warren and sees somebody who can slay the giant or the dragon. >> let's be honest, it is hers if she runs. >> like if she is the only man or woman out there, the only person out there now so is she in danger of too much exposure. is this too much of a rollout now? >> she is running against herself. and how she handles these next two years is very much about tone. it is very much about whether she can win over enough independent voters to be comfortable with her as a person, as a leader.