as well, isn't it? the problem here is that with the internet comes all more access, more information. it comes down to its power. and with all power, we have to have responsibility and consequences. and it's like we have to teach our kids or drill it into them. you know, there is no such thing as privacy anymore. i don't care what delete says. there is no delete. once it's out there, it's out there. we have to have consequences and realize that. >> lisa, why do you -- listen, i took note to what mark said. mark said the perceived anonymity. why do you think, lisa, people go online and risk so much to have an affair? and as noel was saying, listen, it's not illegal. people are wanting to do it. they're consenting. but still, there is a huge risk here especially if you're looking at the story that we're profiling tonight. >> look, some people are just sleazebags, and they're always going to be. and they're going to find whatever they want to find online. i have a little different perspective respectfully from jayne and mark. i run a very busy civil rights