>> let carl respond and then i'll let you go ahead. >> first of all, it took "the new york times" until today and until aaron sorkin's piece. it's a long time. it's been very slow. and most of the coverage has focused on the sensational, the gossip, on amy pascal, who is not a racist. and at the same time i understand why you might cover the story why you have because there is some news given how you cover the entertainment industry. but the lack of serious coverage about the real issues here is despicable. >> okay, alan. >> and it's time that we really catch up to this story -- >> i was -- >> hold your thought because i have to get to a break. i promise we'll get to it on the other side of the break. coming up, who would have thought that we'd see all this drama over a seth rogen comedy? we're going to take a look at the movie behind all of this and get my guests' response again. coming up. we'll be right back.