sit out, because they feel depressed, demoralized, because democracy is not working for them. those issues aren't working for them. they voted, they participated. i'm not someone who is advocating for that. but i just want to be sober and real about. it >> the idea of the couch being an o label ticket is interesting. that might happen. but you don't think so? >> i think that's different. >> i think it's just, i think it's a great idea, and it feels like this is the right time for that idea. this is actually the not right time for that idea. the guy that's not gonna be affected by a no labels ticket is donald trump. his supporters is extremely hard. and i think whatever puts at risk reelection of donald trump, which could be closer than we think, that's dangerous. >> one bit of good news, yeah who, you've got today released a poll and if donald trump is convicted, the margin between trump and biden grows to nine point lead for biden in this