it was amazing to see, and i think there are two versions of hillary clinton. there's the version we've seen for the past six months, you know, scripted, armored, defensive, seeming like she had a trampoline in her backyard practicing her flip flops. just who is this person and why are we talking about her and then -- >> wait a minute, a trampoline in her backyard practicing her flip flops, like flipping over? >> her flip flops. flip-flopping on so many different issues, like every time we were covering her it's another flip-flop. got trampoline in her backyard. who is this person. >> okay. >> and then suddenly she comes out and you're like oh, my god. this is the woman that could do it. she was passionate, she was funny and sharp and smart. >> okay. >> don't hurt yourself there, van. >> it's a very good point. i think that the a big reason