prepare strategically. but when you look at the officers, there was no riot gear. there was good communication between the police officers and the protesters. one lieutenant in particular had really good conversation with the protesters. >> you said your first answer, well, you said -- i lost my train of thought here. so you were talking about protocol not being followed. >> absolutely. >> should these officers then if the protocol is discretionary and that was their initial training should they be put on trial for something that was not necessarily taught to them that was mandatory to do each time? >> let me clarify something. as the head trainer for four years. i was there from 2000 to 2004. that is -- it is not the training. >> i have about 20 seconds left. >> the training is you follow policy. policy is there to protect you