effective. what will they do to distract us from the distraction. to try to deflect and get the conversation going in a onto a subject matter he thinks is not as damming. this turns out to be. how is he going to up the ante. >> you brought up the distraction is going to be what you just said. they'll say that ukraine meddled. >> it was the ukrainians and the democrats. it wasn't the russians. and why aren't we focussed on that. we should look at this, biden, whatever. >> there was no evidence they did meddle. they are saying that. >> trump's own people said that. >> can you -- why is rudy giuliani in kiev as all this is going on? with photographs of him popping up and digging up dirt while articles of impeachment are being drawn up. what the heck is going on?