but i think that -- but look, there's going to be some twists and turns here because he is being represented by, let's see, not exactly the -- the legal aid society. >> yeah. >> and they have concerns about him being questioned without an attorney, so they're going to say, you know, the confession or whatever, they're going to say that they can't be. >> procedures matter, but this isn't a kid to our understanding who says i wasn't there, this never happened. he has a whole story. >> and there's videotape. >> and there is surveillance video. we hear it's not of a great quality, but it's better than what we had back in the day with the central park five and all the wilding that was going on then. and this is about kids killing over nothing, and it is reflective of what's going on in society. you got to look at it, not that there's some spree of kids killing all over the country. but i haven't seen a case like this in a long time, don. >> i haven't either.