>> exactly. people like with muhammad ali and the backlash that he got, people were uncomfortable with not being able to expect things, not being able to control things, not being able to put people in boxes and them stay in those boxes. you know, maybe i'm a kid from the inner city that they wish wouldn't have gotten out of the inner city. maybe that makes people uncomfortable. maybe people don't like a success story like that. maybe that's what it is. i really couldn't tell. >> i'm guessing there are not a lot of people who would call richard sherman a thug after hearing that. we'll have much more from sherman after this break, including what part of becoming an nfl player he says took a chisel to his heart. and later in the show, a rare conversation with david stern. he's preparing to step down from his three-decade run as nba commissioner. >> you do what you have to do. almost certain that there will be some crisis.