and the data that was relayed up to the satellite, according to the folks we talked, to indicates this was a manually -- a manual direction to the flight control computer. i want to answer maybe your other question, why are they searching in the indian ocean more than 3,000 square miles. the last signal that was received from the aircraft to the satellite was over the indian ocean. so they're starting their search based on the assumption that something happened from that point of view. we should be very aware that whoever was doing this was a very -- had some sophisticated knowledge of aircraft and aircraft electronics, because to disable these systems in a series of efforts, not at the same time, is not as easy and most pilots would not know precisely to do to disable them. once again, it indicates it's not likely to be some catastrophic event. it's just too suspicious for that. >> let me bring in ron brown,