directly towards him and as he comes closer this guy's eyes are getting bigger and bigger and bigger and he's thinking why is he coming to me? madiba shook his hand and he said colonial, i just want you to know that today you have become our police, and there is no more you and us. and that impacted hugely on me as a fellow officer of this colonial that was standing there. and he said, i'm now the president of the country, but i wanted you to hear this from me personally, you are now our police. this old guy, 55, 56 maybe with all the experience in the world and all the lines on the dial, you could see he's been there and done it and he started crying, and the tears -- i can still hear them, and that started to change my thinking, because remember, i'm not in the security police. i've been taught the ideology. they were our enemy.