how close they are. >> if they found, peter, four pings they believe came from those two black boxes, one lasting two hours, almost exactly the precise frequency, one lasting 15 minutes, the last two, 5 and 6 minutes each. if they found those, that's pretty good evidence that the prime minister is right. >> i think they are close. they've got one problem with the four ping s in that one of them was 17 miles away. if you drop that one off and zero in on the three, drop the outlier, you may have a manageable -- >> what if they're coming from two different boxes and the two boxes are 17 miles away from each other? >> i think i'd zero in on the three and go for what you've got. >> is that enough, three pings, let's say, for them to really get a specific location? >> well, we're hoping. we're hearing it's going to take a long time at the bottom if that's the best they get. but, you know, when he says he's optimistic where he's zeroing in, don't forget the size of the indian ocean we started with. in terms of that, by comparison -- >> you're not surprised that