of the information that you have heard thus far? >> thus far, we really don't know what caused it. but the fact is they were able to, quote, separatists, were able to shoot down an aircraft at 21,000 feet shows that there was capabilities. i do not want to leap to any conclusions because we, as you mentioned, it could be an explosion. it could be all kinds of reasons. but if it was a missile that took this plane down, then it has to be a very sophisticated weapons system. and the ukrainians do not have that capability. so if it is the case, we're going to have to act and act in the most stringent fashion including real sanctions, including giving the ukrainians the ability to defend
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