neighboring countries including syria and also escalating these operations. you're seeing them at a clip now with the frequency we didn't see in the aftermath after 9/11 or in the last decade and a half going after al qaeda so this is quite dangerous. >> there are hundreds, i'm told, hundreds of indonesians who have gone to syria and to iraq for that matter to work with isis, right? >> absolutely. you know, look, indonesia is one of the most pluralistic, you know, moderate muslim countries. but it has a tradition of, you know, accepting and tolerating minority groups, buddhists, hindus, you name it. you're seeing now this pushback in indonesian society. another element to this. both al qaeda and zarqawi had targeted australia, indonesian, we mentioned the bali attacks in 2002. the reason for this, the justification was australia had helped liberate east timor from indonesian colonism.