Say a lot. Digging deeper on that and the trump details. She joins us now. A big number. A huge lead for donald trump at 24 points. But take note this was a poll that was conducted before and after trump made these comments about john mccain. And when you look at the final night of polling, after he made these remarks, you see a sharp dip in the polls. Donald trump touching off a political firestorm this weekend by insulting former republican president ial nominee john mccain. I supported him. He lost. He let us down. But he lost. So i never liked him as much after that. Because i dont like losers. But, frankly. Let me get to it. He is a war he roefltro. He is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who werent captured. He is a war hero because he was captured. Okay. You can have i believe, perhaps he is a war hero. But right now he said some very bad thangzings about a lot of people. Almost immediately. Trumps remarks grew scrutiny. Mccain, a navy pilot during the vietnam war was shot down held prisoner and beaten for more than five years in hanoi even refusing early release. Still, trump has not backed down. Claiming in a usa today oped his comments were misconstrued by the media. Trying on the today show to turn criticism of mccain toer use like the va scandal. I am not a fan of john mccain. He has done a terrible job for the vets. Mccain himself took the high road this morning. Does donald trump owe you an apology . I dont think so. But i think he may owe an apology to the families of those who have sacrificed in conflict and those who have undergone the prison experience in serving their country. Reporter trumps republican opponents jumped at the chance to denounce his comments. Jeb bush. This is a legitimate hero that has served his country in lots of ways. And mr. Trump knows that. He should just aapproximately jazz. Approximately just apologize. And move it on to the next thing. Marco rubio. It is offensive. Absurd and disqualifier as commanderinchief. Lindsey graham joined by mccain this afternoon. To anybody that suggests john and his fellow pows are lacking in the title of being called american hero, you shouldnt be our commanderinchief. Because you dont know our military. Ted cruz who stands to benefit if trump gets out of the race would not take a position. I recognize that folks in the press love to see republican on republican violence so. You want me to Say Something bad about donald trump, or bad about john mccain or bad about any one else. Im not going to do it. Interesting. Donald trump is saying now that the other candidates have not been talking about Veterans Issues. He says just like he brought illegal immigration to the forehe is bringing Veterans Issues to the fore. Thats not really the case though. Chris Christie Jeb BushLindsey Graham they all talked about veterans, use on the campaign trail. Thats right. And rick perry one of two vets who is running along with Lindsey Graham you saw him surrounded by veterans during his announcement. A big issue. And, he personally provided service there. A lot of republicans would look at that and say that is just a deflection that they would actually look to talk about veterans, use because it is something that they would use to criticize the Obama Administration and the va scandal that happened under that administration. And they would find ways to criticize how the president has dealt with it. At this point, i think they say, when you see what donald trump is talking about. He is not really talking Veterans Issues so much as defending his character. And they would make the case he should apologize so that issues instead could be discussed. Appreciate the reporting. Before bringing in the panel. So everyone is on the same page the we want to play what donald trump said in a fuller context so you can judge what to make of it. Take a look. Referring to people as rapists, referring to john mccain, a war hero t. 5 1 2 years, as p. O. W. You call him a dummy. Is that appropriate in running for president . You have to let me speak, frank. Because you interrupt all the time. Okay. I know him too well. Thats the problem. Lets take john mccain. I am in phoenix. We have a meeting that is going to have 500 people. At the biltmore hotel. We get a call from the hotel. Turmoil. Thousand and thousand of people are showing up. Three, four days before, theyre pitching tents on the hotel grass. The hotel says we cant handle this. Going to destroy the hotel. We move it to the Convention Center wecht center. We have 15,000 people. Biggest one. Bigger than bernie sanders, 15,000 showed up. Bigger than any body. Everybody knows it. A Beautiful Day with incredible people that were wonderful, great americans. I will tell you. John mccain goes oh, boy, trump makes my life difficult. He had 15,000 crazies show up. Crazies. He called them all crazy. I said they werent crazy. They were great americans. These people if you would have seen these people. I know what a crazy is. I know all about crazies. These werent crazy. He insulted me. He insulted everybody in the room the i said somebody should run against john mccain who has been you know in my opinion not so hot. And i supported him. I supported him for president. I raised 1 million for him. Thats a lot of money. Supported him. He lost. He let us down. But he lost. So i never liked him as much after that. Because i dont like losers. But, frank, let me get to tip. He hit me. Hes a war hero. 5 1 2 years. He is a war hero because he was captured the i like people that werent captured. I hate to tell you. He is a war hero because he was captured. Okay. And i believe, perhaps he is a war hero. But right now he said some very bad things about a lot of people. So with that on the table. Thats the full context. We are undertonight by the New York Times oped columnist, former Reagan White House political director jeffrey lord with American Spectator and joining by phone, former cbs news sharyl attkisson, author of stone fall my fight for truth against obstruction, and harassment in obamas washington. Jeffrey, not the first time donald trump has been unapologetic after making statements he made. In your mind was he taken out of context . Do people misunderstand what he was saying . Yes. How so . I absolutely think he was taken out of context. I think the biggest news from today on this subject was not the poll but Rush Limbaugh spending a considerable portion of his show addressing his very conservative audience about how this is a teachable moment in terms of how the media treats conservatives and that they somebody makes a misstatement or something that the media wants to emphasize, statement x, they zero in him. And go after them. Until they put their tail between their legs and aapproximately jazzapl apologize and leave. Donald trump is not doing this. And this happens all the time. He thinks this is going to only help donald trump because he is im not going. Do you believe this was a misstatement . Do you believe this was an inappropriate comment . I think he said several times, he said several times that john mccain is a hero. I certainly believe john mccain is a hero. I find it utterly fascinating when john mccain was running for president , and all sorts of people in the media, and in the political scene, on the left came after john mccain the they called him a psycho. He was mentally i looked this up today. Mentally unstable. He had no business being in the oval office. Where were all these people indignant now about john mccain then. They were quiet as church mice. We should mention trump is saying this is not really about john mccain as a war hero rather protecting veterans rights. Right. Do you believe that or do you believe he is trying to pivot off what is clearly a, something i do think. I think that a lot of American Veterans believe that the whole v. A. Situation is for lack of a better phrase is a domestic benghazi. A mess. Of course it is. They cant get the truth about things. People are literally dying in some of these homes. The one in phoenix has had all kind of problems. We have done extensive reporting on it. Right. Right. So the point is senator mccain has been in the United States senate for a long time so have some of these other Public Officials been in office, why is this the case . Why wasnt this taken care of . I do thing that center is out there. Charles, what do you make of Donald Trumps comments about mccain and the way he sort of moved past it the last day or so . I think it is a joke. I think the whole thing is a joke. I think trump, the candidacy itself is a joke. I actually revel in the whole idea of watching this. You are saying it is a joke. He is the leading republican. The question is whether or not this is a serious political candidate . Right . So i can offer serious political commentary on serious candidates. But you cant do that for this person. Because i dont believe that trump actually wants to be president. And i dont believe that he takes this this whole candidacy seriously. I think it is all brand building for him. There is no separation between trump the man and trump the brand. You dont believe if he actually thought he was going to get to the white house he would continue . I think every candidate has a smidgen of ego, of what if it actually worked out. I also belief a third of the people who run dont actually want to be president. But they want the free publicity, the increased exposure. They dont want to be president , they may not expect it. But they do want. It helps them on the speaking circuit. Donald trump doesnt need help on the speaking circuit . I dont know. I think it absolutely helps with the segment of the population who are more amenable to his products right . But maybe theyre going to the golf course or staying at the hotel or buying the tie. I dent knowont know. Aspirational wealth component. Im sorry i wasnt talking to you. A brashness component to it. A tell it like it is i need someone to speak for me. All of that build into the brand that is donald trump. Sharyl you said some in the media have taken liberties with what trump said about john mccain. Saying it was quote, at best questionable. What do you mean about that . I only examined the small slice, what you are talking about, the Washington Post article in lead sentence misquoted trump as saying john mccain was not a war hero because he was captured. When in fact if you heard, he said john mccain is a war hero because he was captured. You can argue as to whether the statements were appropriate or what he meant, the fact is trump did not use the word not in that sentence. And im any just looking at it from a journalistic accuracy standpoint. He did initially say he is not a war hero. Then he said he is a war hero because he was captured. And the Washington Post in that article. Reference as a sarcastic, sarcastic manner you dentidnt take note of the sarcasm. Absolutely he was sarcastic. Im takinger to. Lead paragraph, caption that said quite plainly something i wouldnt have been allowed to report or should i have been through our lawyers at cbs, or allowed to report in Journalism College that donald trump said john mccain was not a war hero because he has been captured. He didnt say the. It doesnt mean what he said was any better. Im not are gug thatguing that point. And the need to be precise when it is something we dont agree with or candidates we dent like. Trump pointed to your article in a press release or tweet, linked to your article praising your mention of that. Do you believe in general. Trump today has been on today show and other, said he believes many in the media are, either misquoting him or or basically coloring their coverage of him . Well i havent watched to know. But what i have seen today and you played was accurate and in context. And did the story absolute justice. But what happened when the frenzy was building. I read the main Washington Post article on itself and it didnt match what was in the first paragraph. Notable from a journalism standpoint standpoint. That is a liberty i dont think we would have seen five ten years ago in an outlet. I wouldnt have been allowed to do that even in Journalism College. Jeffrey, with the mccain war hero comments aside. Trump said he leakediked people who werent captured. In the press conference after, damage control, contentious press conference. He said he has respect for those who were captured and he likes those who werent captured. Did that make sense to you . If it wasnt if he doesnt if he truly doesnt think john mccain, or if he does believe john mccain is a war hero. Does it make sense if he says he likes people who werent captured . Well you know we get into this parsing of word here. I mean the central the central core point to t is a game who has given millions of dollars literally to build the vietnam war mem roar yalorial, veterans parade help veterans. We are getting into this kind of thing. This is precisely the point that rush makes. We spend hours and hours and hours and weekend and weeks doing this. When the main issue, in this case veterans or illegal immigration or whatever. Is totally off. Isnt this what Rush Limbaugh does. Plays sound bites on his show and discusses them in great detail. Thats what thats what he does. So it is a little disingenuous to suddenly say we are picking on words here . Well you know i listen to rush every day for three hours. So i think that you know the media representation of rush is not exactly what the actual rush show is. I agree on that. He gives a lot of context. I agree with you on that. Not making a blanket statement about him. I think plenty of people on the radio take sound bites and play them. I guess my point, is that the, the base if you will the conservative case of the conservative movement of the Republican Party certainly feels the media does this to various conservative figures over years including Rush Limbaugh i might add. And that the end result desired to to get the guy who ever it is off the stage. And here you have donald trump saying not only am i not going, i am going to double down. You are not going to get me out of here. Arguably i agree with you that. You could say it happened to many democratic politicians. It happened to howard dean. Look at him. Played the scream over and over and over again. And obviously he took great issue. Got to leave the discussion. Sharyl jeffrey, charles thank you for joining us. Coming up just ahead, i will talk to the mother of one of the fallen chatanooga marines about watching the child she remembers and the man he became. I really wanted to talk to her not only to express condolences but also to give you a sense and to allow her to give you a sense of what this young mans loss not only means to her, but to the country as well. And we hope to do this for many of the fallen in the coming days. Later, breaking news about how david sweat and richard matt broke out of prison. New details even more remarkable than what we already knew. Leave early go roam sleep in sleep out star gaze dream big wander more care less beat sunrise chase sunset do it all. On us. Get your first months payment plus five years wear and tear coverage. Make the most of summer. With volvo. We got the new tempurflex and its got the spring and bounce of a traditional mattress. You sink into it, but you can still move around. Now that i have a tempurflex, i can finally get a good nights sleep. vo change your sleep. Change your life. Change to tempurpedic. Having devoted the top of the broadcast to what a political candidate said we want to focus on the war going on right now. Right now american servicemen and women targeted and killed overseas and here at home in the United States. Each one volunteered. Its hard to imagine that any spend what constitutes heroism. Theyre simply doing their job. And they give their lives in iraq in afghanistan, in fort hood texas and last week in chatanooga. Marine Gunnery SergeantThomas SullivanStaff Sergeant david wyatt, knavenavy petty officer randall smith, and skip wells. We are learning more about the gunman who murdered them. That will come second after we tell you about a young man. We want to honor the lives of the five volunteers. That comes first. Earlier today i spoke with kathy wells, lance corporate wells mom. Kathy thank you so much for being with us in your time of grief. Again, im so sorry for your loss. You and i spoke a little earlier on the phone. If you would just tell us about skip. What kind of guy was he . He was a great kid. He was a good boy growing up. He was a great kid. He loved, loved the military. Always loved whatever branch he would see somebody in the Grocery Store and he would go up and shake their hand. And he loved being a marine. Awe was a was that something he wanted to be . For as long as i can remember he wanted to be a marine. I heard you were watching Television News coverage of the situation in chatanooga. Were you immediately worried that skip might be involved . You know i have to say no. I was not worried. I just thought, no this is he is fine. He is going to text me when he is done. He texted me told me what was happening. And i figured he would be he would call me when it was over. It was secure. And because i know that they do have protocol. That they have to follow. I figured when he was done he would call. When when was it that a a team actually showed up to your house . Probably about 5 00. I had a friend over that asked that if they could come and sit with me. And i first i was like no i am fine. I am fine. I am just waiting. And he she said no can i come over now. And she sat in one chair and looked out the door and saw the car and told me not to get up. Then she said she told when they came up to the door. I heard her say, you have got the wrong house. No you have got the wrong house. Thats when i got up. And i was so thankful she was there. Because she held me up. Its not something you want to see. There is a memorial set up for skip at his former high school in georgia. You visited