Wasnt fully prepared. When he appeared on fox news. And if he had devised a plan with the president , he had not consulted with other members of the legal team. And they believe that it only made matters worse for the president , as you know, he veered off course from the president s previous comments involving the Stormy Daniels payment by Michael Cohen. Its as if the players are executing the plays on their own, referring to trump and giuliani. Another source i spoke with today called it a side show, and the concern here with the legal team, this could be the new normal as Rudy Giuliani continues to talk to the media and do these type willings of interviews. Has giuliani said anything else on that front . He said it was coordinated carefully. You wont see daylight between me and the president. Pointing to trumps tweets in support of what he had said. Giuliani was brought on board the legal team to publicize trumps message that he had not been treated fairly. Hillary clinton had received better treatment from investigators. And james comey should not be believed. He was also tasked with negotiating with the special Councils Team over a possible interview with the president. Giuliani up ended the strategy last night according to sources. His comments poured fuel on the Stormy Daniels case, which is a focus in the new york based investigation of cohen, not a case giuliani is a part of, anderson. Want to bring in the panel. From a legal standpoint, you think the most significant thing that giuliani said is about the importance of the timing of Michael Cohen making this deal. He said it this morning, i believe it was on fox and friends. Saying this did have a lot to do with the election which is something Michael Cohen and his supporters said had nothing to do with the selection. If you paid money to help donald trump elected president , those are campaign expenditures, there are requirements for how much you can spend if youre an outsider or if youre the candidate yourself, how and whether you report it. If the president didnt report it, and it was a campaign expenditure. I dont know if its criminal or civil. Most sec laws are handled civilly. Do you see it the same way . No, i think what giuliani was saying, it had the impact that it may have had some impact on the election. I believe theres not an sec violation here, just because someone does something and it has an impact on the campaign if thats not a coordinated effort, its not a campaign activity. Its not as easy as you say. Nothing is easy about this whole situation. Wouldnt this be a coordinated effort . There was coordination in getting the payments made, sending things to the Trump Organization for Michael Cohen. Thats an important question, one of the things we didnt get. We still dont have clarity on what the president knew and when the president knew it. Michael cohen missed two deadlines to pay Stormy Daniels because he couldnt get ahold of trump in the home stretch of that campaign. The fact that the payment was ultimately made raises questions on whether or not he got ahold of trump. Michael cohen had complained that President Trump hadnt paid him back yet. That too. Youre still supposed to file a Campaign Finance disclosure. Today Sarah Huckabee sanders was put in an odd spot she was asked if President Trump filed a fraudulent filing, she said, i dont know. The idea that Michael Cohen has this portfolio of this kind of situation that he has free reign to deal with, and access to i guess in this case, he did have access to cash. A retainer from the president , to deal with the stuff, he doesnt have to tell his client what hes dealing with or if its been resolved. If thats true, think about how terrible it is. I am such a bad person, i have a big bucket of cash and someone to hand it out to get me out of trouble. I think thats normal. Its probably illegal. But if its not its still terrible. I remember when Rudy Giuliani was a force to be reckoned with, this guy was bad i mean, he was the prosecutor, he put the mob away. Hes wandering all over the stage stepping on rakes and doesnt even know it. And so if this is the guy thats going to save donald trump, i think donald trump is in trouble. Has he been doing harm for his client . I am not a lawyer. The pr strategy, i think is questionable. Im not sure i would send him out there like this, particularly before the best lawyer starts work. And thats emmett flood. Theyve hired emmett flood this week. My advice would be, let emmett get to the office, and let him take over. Let him start to dictate the strategy. This is the guy that ought to be calling the shots. Some of this is not legal. Whether the president ever gets indicted is questionable. If the democrats take the house, hes probably going to face impeachment. Theres a Public Opinion component, and i think thats what theyre trying to manage. Keep sending Rudy Giuliani out as often as possible . Keep him on 24 7. People started wondering if he was okay, because he was so unhinged and saying things that were so bizarre. Last night was that Rudy Giuliani as opposed to the Rudy Giuliani who was the subject of the book, emperor in the city. He seems to be the trump of the legal team which is very dangerous for the legal team. Who knows if emmett is going to handle this. I wants to make a comment about Sarah Huckabee sanders, i almost feel her pain. She knew what she was getting into when she took this job. I will say if i were her i would quit. Why . What trump did last night. Lets put aside his disdain for the American People every time he lies to them. The disdain and the disrespect that he showed not just his legal team, but the communications team, the person that goes out every day to represent him, and the government of the United States at that podium and then put her in a situation where she had to say, after she has already been seen as someone who lies to the press, now shes seen as someone whos completely out of the loop. Her credibility has been irrecably ruined, i believe. I think there needed to be from the beginning a legal spokesman to handle these issues. They shouldnt have been handled from the podium to begin with. Early on they said, were going to refer all this legal stuff to the outside. And that never happened. I think thats part of the strategy with Rudy Giuliani. Im not sure its happening as effectively as they wanted it to. Emmett flood knows what hes doing, and hes going to be able to coordinate this effort in a systematic and methodical way to get it to a conclusion. March 10th, when maggie haber man reported that the president was talking to emmett flood about hiring him for the legal team. The president went after her saying this is absolutely fake news, this is not true, im satisfied with john dowd and ty cobb. Two of them are gone. Thats a problem for the white house. The more he says fake news, into stormy affair, no collusion, the more you get hes proven wrong, there are parallels to the russian investigation. I want to 34r5i what he said on hannity last night, this was on hannity last night. Listen to what he said. That money was not campaign money. Sorry, im giving you a fact now that you dont know. Its not campaign money. No Campaign Finance violation. They funneled it through the law firm . Funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. Oh, i didnt know that he did . Yeah. Theres no Campaign Finance law . Zero. Just like every sean, everybody was nervous about this notice very beginning. I wasnt. I knew how much money donald trump put into that campaign. I said, 130,000 hes going to do a couple checks for 130,000. When i heard cohens retainer of 35,000 when he was doing noll work for the president. I said, thats how hes repaying it, with a little profit and a little margin for paying taxes for michael. Do you know the president didnt know about this . I believe thats he didnt know about the specifics of it, as far as i know. He knew about the general arrangement that michael would take care of things like this. Who are these people . He said, you see, hes not doing any work, but hes giving him 35,000 a month . Who does that. Im not in private practice, i know something about lawyers, thats not what people do. Isnt that a sly way of reimbursing someone for a payoff without actually yeah, if youre in the mafia. He was doing a lot more than just paying off folks. He must have the president right. In addition to that. I wouldnt sing sarahs demise all that soon. And i wouldnt. The reason for that is, we dont know what the president knew, when the president knew it, as it related to the payments and when the payments were made. We dont know any of those facts. Giuliani said he only knew about it ten days ago. We know he watches television about when this whole story broke and the president watched it, he never picked up the phone when this lawsuit was filed against him. To at least say, hey, what are we doing . Did i knee about this . Should i pay her he waited until 10 days ago . Does that does anyone believe that. We havent heard from the white house or the president on that i think we yes, we have. He lied. He said on air force one, i dont know anything about it. Thats a lie. The way that Rudy Giuliani laid this out, looks to me as if they went back and said, okay, what story can we make up with the facts that are here, the facts that were paying cohen 35,000 a month for a retainer, hes not doing much, lets figure out what we can say to fit this square peg into this round hole. The key event was the search of Michael Cohens office, that was the signal that the fbi was going to find out how the money moved around. He undoubtedly has i dont know if it was electronic or checks, thats what prompted them to come up with this explanation of how the money changed hands. Were going to have more after a quick break. Including what giuliani said regarding nazi troops. U more for your thing. Your letting go thing. Your sorry not sorry thing. Your out with the old in with the new, onto bigger and better thing. Get the live tv you love. No bulky hardware. No satellite. No annual contract. Try directv now for 10 mo for 3 months. More for your thing. Thats our thing. 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Had this been said by a democrat in the obama administration, understandably, people would have been offended. This does point to a deeper set of problems, which is systematically youre having a huge section of the American People cleved off and we dont talk about americas government any more, which were all supposed to respect. We talk about the deep state. Its the same thing, its a Public Servants trying to make america work. Sometimes theyre good, sometimes theyre bad, theyre human, the idea that you now have tens of millions of people who are buying into this rhetor rhetoric. It did not raise eyebrows on the station it was aired on, because daze a constant refrain that americas government is the enemy of the American People. That treasonous language being normalized is as dangerous as anything were seeing. There are a landful of people in the fbi who have done things that they shouldnt have done. Mccabe, it is not it is not comey has had a rough ride the last couple weeks, in my opinion, in terms of his own image. To call all the agents storm troopers is out of bounds. Rerespect Law Enforcement, state troopers, thats the party ive been a part of for a long time, i dont like that kind of language, frankly, and i wish they wouldnt use it, i think its perfectly appropriate to point out when fbi people or any other Government People have done bad things, no ones above a criticism or the law, to heed that language, i dont its not right. Can i Say Something now, i agree with you 100 , when africanamericans raise the point about Law Enforcement, you got good ones and bad ones. If you say as an africanamerican i have a problem with how Law Enforcement is operated. Donald trump will come after you. The same people who will go after africanamericans, who are burying children, will turn around and say fbi agents executing a lawful warrant are nazis. And anything to that im glad youre saying, you dont agree with that, where are the other republicans . Where is the Republican Leadership that is coming out to say that is not appropriate. Where is mitch mcconnell, where is paul ryan saying, this is dangerous to our democracy, in order for this country to continue to be a successful american experiment, we need to have a democracy that works. We need to have Law Enforcement and Democratic Institutions that people actually have faith in, and what the president of the United States is doing is trying to den great and peel off to your point, peel off faith in those institutions because he believes those institutions are going after him. I would add that what he said was just wrong. Michael cohen himself said the raid was fine. Everyone was respectful. This actually shows how Rudy Giulianis role is more on the pr side as we talked about, than the legal side. The same thing about paul manafort. They broke down his doors. I used to deal with the mafia, i dont know if hes been Reading Court filings, but Paul Manaforts raid was not a predawn no knock warrant. The special council made that clear in the last few weeks, it seems like hes not even familiar with his own clients case, he also made this statement that the president cant be subpoenaed because the president cant be distracted. I thought that was an interesting political argument. Is this just, hes being paid to lie, to gin things up . I think he believes every word. I think giuliani he used to be the law and order guy. He used to be the law and order guy, he used to be a moderate republican. Hes changed completely. He when he was mayor of new york city i mean, this is a diver diverse, pretty liberal city. And he won two terms, was it two or three . Two terms, i think. He lost his first race and won two terms. Hes a very successful mayor, ever since 9 11, hes turned into a super authoritarian, his speeches during the campaign, he was incredibly irresponsible talking about Hillary Clinton, and this is who he is. Even for an authoritarian, odd that hes calling the arms of the state, the storm troopers. Its part of our tribal politics now, if youre republican now and respectfully, there is a package of views that includes disrespect for the fbi, or at least the part of the fbi thats investigating donald trump. I dont think thats true. There are bad apples in law inforcement at all levels of Law Enforcement. And in this case, theres no way you should be characterizing fbi agents that go in there and do a job every day like that. And how many elected republicans. . You have two republicans sitting on this panel. Elected republicans that have to run, denounce giuliani for calling the fbi storm troopers. Zero. 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