Manu raju joins us now from capitol hill. So what is nadler saying. Reporter well i talked to nadler after this 10minute phone call with bill barr and he said that barr would not commit to releasing the full report to congress and the public. He also said barr would not commit to providing the underlying evidence to congress as something that democrats have demanded and he said that he doesnt believe that the Justice Department will meet the democrats earp 2nd deadline to provide the full report to congress. According to nadler, barr told him this report is, quote, very substantial and nadler questioned how it could be summarized in just four pages. And democrats are going to have to weigh or what theyll do next. If they dont get what they want. But nadler made very clear, hes not happy. So the attorney general would not commit to releasing the full report . No, he would not. I just had a conversation with the attorney general. I asked about the length and breadth of the report. He said it was a very substantial report. So substantial that i dont see how you could summarize it in four pages fairly. He said it was a very substantial report. I asked when we would see the report and he said it will be a matter of weeks, not months as weve heard before. Obviously hes not going to theyre not going to meet the april 2nd deadline and im upset and concerned by that and most concerned that when i asked whether the he could commit that the American People and the congress would see the entire unredacted report and the underlying evidence, he would not make a commitment on that. And that is not acceptable. Reporter now i asked if any of the report that will be ultimately submitted would be summarized by bill barr. He said that barr reserved the right to summarize portions of the report that would ultimately be heavily redacted but it is unclear to nadler how much that would be and how much of the report will be released. He did say though, anderson, that barr did commit to testifying in public before the House Judiciary Committee so expect that to happen in the coming weeks. Well the thing that Congress Nadler is not saying is what barrs explain is, in fairness to the attorney general, there are some issues which may be from a grand jury which would need to be redacted or some issues which are come from classified information or reveal sources or methods that, would need to be redacted. So i know chairman nadler is put the worst possible light on the attorney general saying i wont release the full report, we dont know exactly what that means. It does seem the idea that the department of justice would give all of the underlying documents, that has always seemed like a that would be a major step if they were willing to do that. I know it was done in the investigation of Hillary Clinton buts that a rare thing. That is essentially congress reinvestigating the Mueller Investigation. Reporter yeah, no question. That is difficult for democrats. They want to see they realize they couldnt get all of the underlying evidence, but they want a good portion of the underlying evidence. They do point to what happened in the last congress where republicans got hundreds of thousands of pages of emails related to the Hillary Clinton email investigation and that is a precedent that they point to. But nadler is saying the full report is what they are ultimately demanding which is what he barr is not committing to. But one thing, too, anderson, i asked him whether or not the white house would have a chance to review this first and i told me that barr told him there are no plans to let the white house review it before the public ultimately sees the report. Thank you very much. And now the white house where the focus is shifted from praise to the muller report to an effort against obamacare. Abby phillip joins us now. So does the white house have something to replace obamacare . They dont, anderson. The white house is acknowledging they dont have a plan at the moment. Mark short, the Vice President chief of staff acknowledged earlier on air that they would come up with one by this year. But one of the problems, the crux of the debate within the administration, has been that if there is no plan, which there isnt at the moment, it would throw the entire Health Insurance market into chaos, leaving millions uninsured if obamacare is completely struck down and the white house has nothing to replace it with. An official told cnn jim acosta this afternoon that there is nothing fresh at the moment. They pointed to some a plan that had previously been debated in congress that ultimately failed to pass. But at the same time that is a clear acknowledgment that the white house is starting from scratch here and meanwhile over on capitol hill, republicans lawmakers are actually pointing to the white house and saying, well be happy to see what they come up with, but so far they have nothing. Yesterday the president said that the, quote, Republican Party will soon be known as the party of health care. Reporter just yesterday the president seemed to suggest this would be the new battle plan for republicans. But it is not clear how many actual republicans are with him on this. The Republican Party did not fare well when battling with democrats over the issue of health care in 2018. And most that weve spoken to, sources that ive spoken to today suggested that they know that this is not going to be a great political strategy for them moving forward. And given that the president seems to suggest that this is going to be their standard bearing for the next two years, it would suggest that they would need to have a plan and they would need to come up with one pretty soon. Abby phillips, appreciate it. My next guest was one of two people of ceo of the trump cas Trump Campaign and had a frontrow seat to the battle over obamacare and interviewed by the mueller team three times and steve bannon joins me now from rome. It is a pleasure to have you on. I want to get to obamacare later on but lets start with what the attorney general barr according to chairman nadler not committing to releasing the full Mueller Report. Do you think he should, except for classified material or grand jury proceedings . Look, i think it is obviously up to the attorney general. Somebody that was part of the process, i think they ought to release it but it is the attorney generals decision. One of the things, anderson, that is lost in all of this is trump waived executive privilege and waived Attorney Client privilege and not just Reince Priebus and myself but don mcgahn and the white House Counsel and like 500 witnesses, 2800 subpoenas, so the president went out of his way to get all of this information out and get it out quickly. So i would assume that everybody would want to get the full report out to people except for what is classified or what needs to be redacted. And Lindsey Graham said that the president told him correct dri said, quote, just release it. I think you thought it was legal but not wise for the president to fire comey. Given the fact that mueller has exonerated the president and those around him when it comes to any kind of collusion or criminal conspiracy with russia, was it smart in retrospect for the president to have been attacking the investigation in the way that did he really for the last two years . Well, you know, actually i used you as an example when we talked when i talked with the president back in the oval office. I said, hey, on the comey investigation, i said even Anderson Cooper has got this in the cblock. This is in the spring of 17. But the president had his own ideas about the job that comey was doing and so he terminated him. I always said that mueller i this is hes an honorable guy. A combat veteran and a combat marine and the president whatever he said on twitter, or whatever he said in public decorations or on tv, the important thing was he told everybody to cooperate and to get it out there like no other president has ever done. That is what was stunning. In fact, i was kind of a critic about how quickly they were releasing information. I thought there ought to be more process. There is 1. 2 million documents released and the president s actions supportive of the Mueller Investigation and that is why i think it is in coming back like it is to exonerate him and i actually think it is time to release the documents and lets move on and get on with the work of the country. Youve been very clear about no collusion all along. Youve been probably less definitive when it comes to obstruction of justice. Were you surprised that mueller himself didnt reach a conclusion or recommendation on that and essentially handed over it to the attorney general to make a conclusion . Look, im not a lawyer. But the way i look at it, prosecutors either charge or they dont charge. No exoneration line to me i thought was a little bit of a cheap shot. And ive been very supportive of the mueller process. Look, here is the thing. They took two years and they looked at everything. It wasnt that i was concerned about obstruction of justice. I didnt think there was any. But when you go through all of the documents and that is why the 18 election by the democrats getting out there and working so hard, the grassroots democrats, winning the house, i said, look, what theyre going to try to do is weaponize the Mueller Report and to use that as the beginning under nadlers Jerry NadlersJudiciary Committee to start hearings on impeachment process. I think what happened with this report, it looks like that will be put to bed. So well see when it gets released but i think it is time to kind of release it and people review it and then move on and get on with the great work in front of us. So it is interesting, you believe even if the report is released, even if it has negative some things which are questionable behavior bit president or an attempt to cover up what the trump tower meeting was with the alternative explanation and that it was about adoption and as long as it is not criminal, at this point you think it is done, no matter what is released, it is not going to matter and no matter what democrats try in terms of in your words weaponizing but in terms of investigating, it is not going to matter . I just think its i think, look, if it is anything substantive mueller had, what, 20 a serious prosecutors and 42 field agents in the fbi and as somebody who went through the process and it was like a proctology exam. I was a witness of fact as was don mcgahn and Reince Priebus and this was a very thorough investigation. If mueller had something, being the kind of seniorlevel prosecutor he was, he would have done something. And i think by not doing anything and saying there was no collusion, which this whole thing started about, i think i just dont think there is much there to look it is over a thousand pages long. Well have to see. I said early on that if the democrats won the house and the Mueller Report had these type of charges in there and had this type of stuff that the democrats will try to what i call weaponize it and use it to move forward but i think youre seeing already in the house people like nancy pelosi saying, hey, we have to get focused on health care and other things. So i think this is a time to move on. I do think the media ought to kind of assess both the coverage and ive said this for a long time, both the coverage of the of 2016 campaign and now the coverage of the whole investigation process. I think the media ought to be selfregulating and look at itself and then move on. There is so much in front of us with china and what is going on in the world. It is time to get focused on the big problems facing the country. And there is stuff going on with china which i want to talk about. In an interview, though, i think you gave earlier this week, you said the president is going to, quote or going to go full animal. Which is an expression i hadnt heard before but that is stuck in my mind. Now that he sees himself as no longer under the cloud of the investigation, what does going full animal look like . What does that mean for because you said that 2019 would be the most vitriolic year in american politics since before the civil war and you included vietnam in that. Both of those things are pretty startling statements. Yes. What is the vision for this year then . Well, you know, i was talking to a spanish journalist and think i said honey badger which is one of my favorite phrases. And honey badger dont care yeah. Exactly. I think the president will be very aggressive. You saw the tweets. I was talking to the Foreign Press association in rome and the president tweeted out at the time about the Opposition Party media. So i think the president will be very aggressive. I think he feels like the work of the country and the particularly the work he had was kind of slowed down particularly looking internationally because of some of the hysteria around this investigation. Not the investigation, but i think this thing that people should focus on. He overly supplied people with documents. He was very aggressive in getting this information out there. Because he said from day one, there is no collusion. But i think about the hysteria is that is what i think reasonably upset about and i think you would definitely see pushback. President trumps a fighter. I dont need to tell you, anderson. You know him well. Hes a fighter. And he looks at this as a fight and i think hell be very aggressive and things i think hell start giving interviews and try to push this. And look, in a time when democracy has never been stronger in america, we just had 113 Million People vote in the midterm elections we are divided but division is good and healthy because people have to argue out and have to kind of fight at the battle box for what they believe in and the country is engaged in the political process and i think this year will be very vitriolic and well have to work through this and the president of the United States, and rightly so will push back on what i think he believes is media hysteria around the investigation at the entire time that he was actually putting everybody in the white house, everybody on the Campaign Front and center with all of the documents and his lawyers that worked through this. But you know, listen, i understand the criticism of the media. I think every reporter i know is constantly trying to look inward and look at their coverage. And if something is wrong, apologize for it and correct it as quickly as possible. But at the same time, the president himself has, while he may have been behind the scenes or the people of the white house may have been behind the scenes providing all of the documents that they needed, publicly he certainly gave a lot of people a lot of reasons to scratch their heads and think, wait a minute. From interviews he gave to tweets he sent to things he said to the russians in the oval office. He did provide a lot of the questions he certainly stoked it whether he meant to or not. Well, anderson, but mueller had all of this to go through. So i think he saw it. There is no collusion and if the atmosphere i think the president justifiably looked at and i said this from day one, after the 16 defeat, the Democratic Party was in such disarray and the Mainstream Media was on the position and during the campaign it was the Opposition Party media. Instead of doing mia culpa or big inflections internally, the one thing that the media could do and this is a big issue for both conservative and liberal media, and this is the fbis counterintelligence operation and some of the cia, what was done at the beginning of the investigation of the Trump Campaign and it has to be looked into. Ive said over a year and a half i believe the Church Commission will have to be established to look at the fbi behavior and the cia and i would hope in the old days in the 70s, the New York Times and Washington Post would lead the investigations, that is not happening. Maybe cnn will do it but i think there is a lot there and this is not to get partisan. This is for the good of the country. Im a huge spoupt supporter and im never been a conspiracy guy and my daughter is at west point and im not a deep state guy and i think we have to in a bipartisan way and look at the start of the trump investigation into the trump thing and seriously question some of the fbi counterintelligence and the cia and maybe even Foreign Intelligence Services and i think this is for the good of the country and for the good of the fbi and the cia too. But i would hope that that would be the next phase of investigations here. As to the question the vitriol tone, the president said recently something which people who dont like the president or distrust the president or are very concerned about he said before an audience, i could tell you have the support of the police and the military and the support of the bikers for trump and i have the tough people but they dont play it tough until they get to a certain point and then it would be very bad, very bad. How do you interpret that . I just think that is i think it is President Trump talking about the deplorables, what about his base is and veterans and people that served the country and in Law Enforcement and i dont think it is anything peg orive or to worry about. I think people read more into the president s statements sometimes in trying to read the tea leaves. This is all but i do think the president is going to be pretty aggressive in his tweets. I think in the interviews and the way he talks to people at congress. I know hes not particularly happy with i think