So just, you know, facts matter, thats actually not true what he just said. It wasnt the president of ukraine who was saying negative things about the ambassador, it was actually President Trump speaking to the president of ukraine speaking unfavorably of her on that now infamous july phone call, which would indicate he does know her or of her. Today in her testimony, Marie Yovanovitch said the president was very familiar with her and her work in ukraine and said the deputy secretary of state who called her earlier this year said the president lost confidence in me, end quote. And added there had been Concerted Campaign against me and the department had been under pressure to remove me since december 2018. After almost ten hours of testimony, what are you learning about the ambassadors deposition, particularly what she told the committee about Rudy Giuliani . Again, this is behind closed doors so information is hard to get. Reporter thats right, anderson. From what we do know of her deposition, she really painted today for the lawmakers a fuller picture of what she believes the role of Rudy Giuliani was, the extent of his role, how he according to her essentially coordinated this wellcoordinated strategy to smear campaign, if you will, to lead to her removal from the post. She said that at the time while she was in ukraine, she had heard from ukrainian officials that giuliani was going around trashing her, saying bad things about her, making bad things up about her but it was only until now in the context of all that has been revealed over the last few weeks does she understand some of the context and essentially the extent of all of this. Some powerful words mostly in the Opening Statement obtained today from the New York Times about why she felt this was significant. Essentially putting the pieces together talking about the elements of her very abrupt dismissal earlier this year because of this smear campaign. She said it was made up by unfounded and false claims by people she says with clearly questionable motives. Of course a reference there to Rudy Giuliani. What are you hearing from democratic and republican members of the congress who heard her testimony today . Did they hear the same thing . Reporter not at all. And that is typical for these sorts of things. We just heard from republicans and democrats, Top Democrats and republicans on the committee leaving this room after that marathon session tonight and their reaction predictably, not surprisingly fell into partisan camps. The top democrat on the intel committee, adam schiff, the chairman of that committee praised yovanovitch, saying shes a model democrat and deserved better than the shabby treatment she received from president. And schiff did not take questions from reporters tonight of which there are many. Republicans coming out of that room tonight, anderson, really attacked the process. We heard from many republicans saying this should have been an open testimony, saying that they themselves did not think that they learned anything that was classified so why should this be held behind closed doors . So certainly both sides hearing and seeing what they wanted to see and likely that will certainly that sort of pattern will head into next week when well hear many more depositions and outcomes of those depositions appear on capitol hill. And in terms of the impeoplement inquiry has there been any movement and how soon do democrats expect to get through upcoming witnesses . They have quite the jam packed schedule of deposition witnesses. Even tonight the chairman. Committee, adam schiff, saying they are moving with a new sense of urgency, that they are making progress and he promised potentially more depositions coming up that we dont know about, more subpoenas coming up that we at this point dont know about, so theyre clearly pushing ahead. It comes as you rightfully point out that the republicans and President Trump himself have been calling for this full vote on the house floor to authorize the impeachment inquiry. That is something that the speaker of the house nancy pelosi so far has been hesitant to do. She said she doesnt think its necessary. She has not ruled it out but she doesnt think she has to because of the constitution. It will be most notable early next week when everyone is back on capitol hill after this twoweek recess when House Democrats will convene in their Weekly Conference caucus meeting. Well see if this small group of democrats who are saying we should go ahead and authorize this in the full house floor, we will see if that has any sway with the leaders of the democrats. Anderson . Thank you very much. Appreciate it. He and other members of congress met with leaders as well as the top diplomat of ukraine. Congressman, thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate it. Good to be with you. I want to get to your trip in ukraine in just a moment because the timing of it could not be more important. I do want to ask you about the ambassadors testimony. Im wondering what you make of what we have learned so far that there was allegedly this, quote, Concerted Campaign against her, according to her testimony. Well, first of all, shes an extraordinary woman, obviously skilled as a diplomat but obviously very, very, very courageous, willing to speak to power and not be put down by the president but rather to carry out her constitutional and her oath of office, that is to obey the constitution and to come forward with whatever information she has. With regard to her testimony, the deposition process is one of gathering data and information. There will undoubtedly be hearings, perhaps shell be coming back. This is a process thats extremely important, understanding the details, the timelines, the various events that went on. No doubt about it giuliani was out there playing games, not only perhaps for his own pocket and for the pocket of the two fellas that were just indicted but also to lay out an investigation for against biden. All of that is probably in the deposition, it probably there and there will be further information i think sondlands coming in next week. In is all part of the unraveling of donald trump. For the president to be claiming that his conversation with the president of ukraine was all about fighting corruption in ukraine and Rudy Giuliani was at the pointy end of the spear of an anticorruption drive in ukraine, is just ludicrous, particularly when you learn that the ambassador herself was pushing forward an aggressive Anticorruption Program in ukraine and ran afoul of theoretically corrupt or shady officials there. Well, thats exactly right. When we met with the officials, the minister of defense who had actually been in office just two weeks and the foreign minister, their principal goal was to root out corruption, to get rid of the corruption, even so much so that we spent a lot of time talking about how the military can put in place an inspector general. Beyond that, we also when we met just outside the ministry of defense ambassador taylor was there to greet us at the very moment that our smartphones were saying his tweet message was there. We climbed off the bus and congratulated him for speaking the truth. What is the Trump Administration up to . Trying to play games with the 400 million absolutely essential military equipment, hardware, supplies as well as the trainers that go with it. Civil servants are standing up. Theyre there to serve the constitution and the american system of government. Were seeing two examples right there. Lets put the two whistleblowers on the same line, standing up to power, calling it as it is and saying somethings terribly wrong here. So lets hear it for the Civil Servants out there that trump has spent most of his career trying to dump. You just mentioned bill taylor. Hes the senior diplomat to ukraine. He wrote that text message to ambassador sondland from the eu saying i think it crazy to withhold assistance for help with a Political Campaign and they there was the fivehour gap and ambassador sondland kind of read out a statement, essentially, sounded like it was coming from donald trump. Thats what we call the classic cya memo that goes out. Some lawyer said oh my god, we have a problem here. Yes, we do. Keep in mind, we have a problem in the white house. The transcript that was not complete went into the deep vault never to be seen by anybody again. I have news for the president. Were going to see whats in that vault. Well find out exactly what was said in his own word and were going to find out, i want you to do a favor, though. Yeah, there you have it. Trump broke the law. Do you think that there is a recording of the conversation . Do you think there is a more full transcript . Somewhere . Well, what happened during the nixon period, except for that 18 minutes that disappeared . Im sure theres a recording, if not in the white house, theres a recording somewhere. And for sure the ukrainians have a recording, although im sure they dont want to release it. You just got to feel for this president , a new guy comes in, 75 vote, has a super majority in his own parliament and then trump comes in and lays the heavy hit on him saying play with me or else. And he just has no place to go. This president is strong, he wants to do right by his country, hes fighting a major battle with the russians. 14,000 ukrainians have been killed in that fight and trump is out just to feather his own nest to try to win an election. It is just outrageous whats happened here. Yeah. Yeah. Human beings lives are at stake. Exactly. And more. Congressman john garamendi, i really appreciate talking to you. Thank you very much. Coming up, ill talk to two veterans from the watergate administration about how donald trump seems to be distancing himself from key figures in the ukraine controversy. See how that goes. Also is Rudy GiulianiPresident Trumps attorney . Well discuss how hes become too much of a liability for the president. Behr presents tough as walls. Thats some great paint. Thats some great paint. Behr, ranked 1 in Customer Satisfaction with interior paints. Right now get incredible savings on behr marquee interior. Exclusively at the home depot. 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A source tells cnn that President Trump is distancing himself from his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani. Giuliani still works for the president but wont deal with ukraine matters. This comes after two associates of giulianis were charged with Campaign Finance violations. Investigators are probing Rudy Giulianis financial dealings with the two men. This after a man whose career was destroyed by President Trump testified against giuliani and his associates. According to it the Washington Post the two men, quote, may well have believed their personal financial ambitions were stymied by our anticorruption policy in ukraine, end quote. Two veterans of the watergate investigations joins us now, richard benveniste, cnn political analyst and journalist carl bernstein. Carl, lets talk about the ambassadors testimony. How problematic do you think it could be for the white house and the potential testimony next week of ambassador sondland, who is a supporter of the president s . Very consequential and i think we already know that. Theres a whole series of witnesses who are really in a position to do the president great damage because theyre telling the truth about what looks like a conspiracy involving the president of the United States to undermine our very basis of free elections in this country by engaging a foreign power to interfere with the opposition candidate facing the president of the United States. Weve never had a situation where a foreign power has been called upon by the president of the United States, as it appears from his own words, trumps own words that weve seen he did this. Now its up to other witnesses to fill in more information and thats indeed what we saw the ambassador do today and we have many others coming. And also the whole question of john bolton, the president S National Security adviser, who heard that conversation with the president of ukraine. Bolton is in a position and he apparently scurried and knew how damaging that conversation was. It all gets back to what the ambassador was also testifying about today. So theres a circle that is closing in, an evidentiary circle thats very damaging to the president of the United States and today that circle got tighter. Richard, im wondering where you see where the investigation is so far. I mean, the president today not even saying or couldnt say whether Rudy Giuliani was still his lawyer or not. He said i dont know. Hes made a number of bizarre statements recently, this business about his acumen, his brilliance, his unmatched ability to tell what the turks are going to do and whether theyre going to cross a line. All of this stuff is reminiscent of when nixon was under such pressure, the i am not a crook speech. All of this is very reminiscent. I think the most disturbing thing, as carl has mentioned, is the inability to accept the normative precepts of our Constitutional Government and the balance of powers between congress and the executive branch, which the president refuses repeatedly to accept. And i think the focus group from wisconsin was very telling in the way they analyzed this. You know, people use their godgiven common sense and every day experience when someone lies to them, when someone refuses to give information and hides access to witnesses and testimony and documents, they ask the question as we did when nixon was president why is he going to such lengths to keep this information from the public . And with nixons case we know why. The information was damning. Carl, im wondering, i mean, how much of any impeachment inquiry is dictated by public sentiment . You pointed out in the past with watergate its finally when republicans turned and, you know, went to the president and, you know, kind of explained the reality of the situation he was facing. Is it public sentiment that turned first, that motivated republicans to . Well, i think the republicans were motivated those who were on the House Judiciary Committee which voted articles of impeachment against the president of the United States, they were moved by patriotism. And they were moved by a real sense of responsibility such as weve not seen from republicans during the trump presidency. However, i know enough from talking to republicans, other reporters do, to know that something is shifting among republicans right now on capitol hill. They are losing confidence in this president , they are losing confidence in his ability to think straight, to act straight, to conduct the presidency in a manner that they need to see to have any measure of confidence in the president of the United States. And there really is some deterioration going on. In turkey, the situation with turkey and isis also plays into this. The confidence factor in the president of the United States, seeing him unhinged as we have in these weeks, watching Rudy Giuliani and the president , who are joined at the hip, whatever the president of the United States says, these two guys are joined in the hip in what looks very much like an easy, slam dunk, almost, ability to say conspiracy and those two are tied to it. And theres more witnesses coming, many more witnesses in the coming days. And theres going to be an expansion of this inquiry as well. Richard, you and 16 other former Watergate Special prosecutors calling for the president s impeachment, im wondering what led you to that conclusion . I think motivating us, were all in our 70s now, weve all had careers in the law is that there is no right to remain silent at a time when our constitution is being trashed. And its being trashed because the fundamental precepts of our separation of power, of adhering to congressional oversight of the executive is fundamental and we cant lose that. If we lose that, we lose the essence of our democracy, and Everything Else will slip. I think as trained lawyers, and there are many, many throughout this country who understand our constitution, we dont have an organized religion thats official in this country. What we have is a constitution that everyone must abide by. Richard benveniste and carl bernstein, i appreciate it. We have a lot more to learn about Rudy Giulianis involvement with those two men under arrest. Right back with a dee