Transcripts For CNNW At This Hour With Kate Bolduan 20170704

CNNW At This Hour With Kate Bolduan July 4, 2017

Korea conducted this year this is the most concern to the u. S. If what the north says it true, it would mean a north korean weapon could potentially reach the mainland. Cnns ryan brown following the latest developments from the pentagon. So ryan, what more can you tell us about this meeting, and the options that are being weighed . Hi pam. Yes this meeting is being conducted for several reasons. One is to assess whether or not this actually was an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile. Pacific command which oversees u. S. Military forces in the region initially labeled it an intermediate range missile but north korea is making this claim its an icbm which is potentially capable of reaching the mainland United States. This is the first thing the pentagon want to do, assess, look at the data from the missile to determine whether or not north korea has this improved capability but again, if that is the case there is a series of options that could be under consideration, diplomatic sanctions option, attempting to get countries to sanction more forces strongly. Also military, boosting the u. S. Military presence in the region with more ships or troops, in an effort to kind of allay the concerns of the u. S. Allies, japan and south korea. All of these things potentially under consideration, given that the u. S. Is still trying to determine exactly what north korea fired yesterday. And as you point out, they havent reached a conclusion yet, basically looking at the intelligence, north korea has said it did launch this Intercontinental Ballistic Missile, but the big question is, when Something Like this happens, and the fact that this is of such big concern, how close could the North Koreans be toward actually landing a missile on the u. S. Mainland. This missile fired yesterday flew longer than any test north korea conducted about 37 minutes according to pacific command. The severe monitoring youre seeing this increased skill set being developed within the north Korean Missile regime, but again this is something that its very hard to make a determination whether or not theyll have that actual capability to reach the United States. Its something that the United States plans for, they conduct mice Missile Defense system tests in kind of planning for this threat, worst case scenario. Again, it will be very hard to determine whether or not north korea has reached that threshold. Ryan brown thank you for bringing us the latest. All this is happening as mr. Trump prepares for an enormous test at the g20 summit in jeremy. Cnn learning enrussian president Vladimir Putin will have a full fledged sitdown meeting the first time the two president s meet face to face. Michelle kozinski is following all of this from the state department. Lets talk about north korea first. The president leaning hard on china to resolve this. He has been. There have been a lot of meetings between the two sides over the past few months. Serious meetings where theyre trying to find this cooperation and Common Ground to try to counter north korea, but when we hear from the president , its often in these tweets that sometimes sure sounds like theyre counterproductive saying that this time perhaps china will do something, it was just a few weeks ago he was saying what china was doing wasnt working, so this isnt exactly helpful to the process but he does have a point there. C china has been slow to do the kind of action that the United States and others would like it to do to add more pressure on to north korea. It hasnt changed north koreas behavior obviously. So this is again something that theyre going to have to sit down and talk about at the g20 meeting. And of course, as all of this is going on, putin weighed in on the korean, north korean crisis with the chinese president today. If you look at the statements released it seems like the two leaders were trying to box the u. S. And President Trump out. Theyre talking about cooperation that they will do on this, and talking about tie l dialogue. It wasnt that long ago that they were talking about the military options still being on the table. Thats always going to be the case. For the u. S. To be talking about it so openly and saying if china doesnt do anything, the u. S. Is willing to go it alone, well, now you have this dynamic between russia and china. China not exactly pleased at the u. S. s rhetoric and its approach over the last few months so you have china and russia saying theyre going to work on this problem that does put the United States in a bit of an odd position to try to be the leader on this, and thats one of the many challenges that President Trump and his team are going to face moving forward on this, because it really hasnt had the solution. All right, michelle kozinski, thank you so much for bringing us the latest from the state department. Joining me to discuss this, bob baer, former cia operative, also with us cnn military and diplomatic analyst and former state Department Spokesman retired rear admiral john kirby. Bob, i want to start with you. Lets start with the surprise meeting by the Trump Administration. What are some of the options that are being weighed right now, as we heard, the u. S. Has said look, we will go this alone if need be. So how would that happen . What are they considering . Well, it would have to be a military action of some sort, or blockading north korea, which is sort of for me difficult to believe theyd go that far alone without chinese help. The North Koreans are capable of marching south. We have troops there. They would be in seoul, in no time at all. So theres been a lot of reasons weve not used true military, you know, power against north korea, and also because north korea is so unpredictable. The chinese have a very difficult time corraling them. Theyve tried, the North Koreans detest the chinese. This is a tlem ma for the administration. If this was an icbm, the North Koreans are making enormous progress and they will be able to hit the mainland in a couple of years. Whether they get a miniaturized nuke and put it on the end of an icbm is another question. I dont know the answer to that. John kirby, what do you make of trumps response on twitter asking if kim jongun has anything better to do with his life, especially considering the seriousness of this potential test. I think it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what kims priorities and his goals are. Look, he has been racing towards developing this kind of a capability and potentially the chance to nuclearize an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile so that he has the ultimate barring anyone chip in any process of negotiation going forward. Number two, to preserve the safety and the security of his regime. When the president says he doesnt have anything to do, this is his life and exactly what hes trying to do to preserve the regimes survival and give him the ultimate bargaining chip at whatever negotiating table might be reached someday. Its clear kim jongun has been testing trump, bob. He has launched more tests than his father and grandfather. What is his qualify dns level in your view to pull off more of these dramatic tests . First of all the regime is looking forty own survival and looking at washington a weak president. Twitter is not going to deter kim jongun. Its just not. This president to them doesnt look serious. He looks vulnerable. They will continue to press and it looks to them that theyre going to get their way. The president has been blustering and threatening, and they have not backed down. I know the North Koreans. They are a tough bunch of people, and its going to take a lot more to get them to get rid of these icbms and stop developing nuclear weapons. John, we know russia and china, the leaders of the two countries met, and if you read their statements, they are clearly trying to box the u. S. Out when it comes to the response to north korea. That seems like a big development. I read the statement just before coming on. Its curious in so many ways not the least of which is that they seem to be trying to take this mature high road when it comes to Diplomatic Solutions to the north korea challenge, which is an odd for them to both say they want to do when a, china had enumb rabble opportunities to put influence on pyongyang in a destructive way and decided not to. Why . They dont want to see a reunified korea thats friendly to the west so theyre hedging a stable but potent north korea kind of keeps the west at bay, and russia are doing this because its opportunism. They see a chance, bob is right, to poke the United States here, a country they see is divided and sort of diminishing in its influence and theyre jumping on the band wagon. The other thing the statement does is gives parity to the dprk. They talk about the regards need to be considered. No, they dont. Not in this case. They shouldnt be considered at parody level as an equal. Thats what kim wants and why hes racing towards this capability and then the third thing is they talk about freezing u. S. And south korean exercises and of course the thaad deployment. Again, this would be a huge concession to the north. It would give kim exactly what he wants and would only further destabilize the peninsula. Look, we have a Treaty Alliance with south korea. We have actual security obligations we have to meet. Thaad is a defensive system, poses no threat, offensive threat to anybody and these exercises that we do with the south are critically important to keeping those skills and deterrence capabilities up. The g20 summit is this week, bob. President trump will have a formal meeting with russian president Vladimir Putin. What does he need to do amidst the concern here to sort of flex his diplomatic muscles . Well, he has to come to an agreement behind closed doors. We just did an arms deal with taiwan which has annoyed the chinese to no end. Our policy on russia is unclear. The senate vote in tightening up sanctions, all these questions are part of the horse trading thats going to go on here and the president has to realize theres long established interests with these countries and we simply cannot flaunt those standards and agreements and understandings and not have and have them ask them to help, with the chinese, they are absolutely crucial to getting this up because a lot of the parts for the icbms are coming from china itself, and in order to close that down, were going to have to give the chinese something. Im not sure what that is, but an arms deal with taiwan is not going to help. All right, bob baer, rear admiral john kirby thank you. Coming up, dozens of states expressing concern over President Trumps Voter Fraud Commission, and its request for personal information on millions of voters. This as democrats get behind a bill that would lay the groundwork to remove the president if hes deemed mentally unfit to serve. 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Secretaries of states who are democrats and republicans for more than 40 states and the District Of Columbia are expressing concerns and pushing back on the request from the Advisory Commission on Election Integrity with some states flat out refusing overright to provide any information. Among other things the Commission Asks for names, addresses, party affiliation, felony convictions and whether the voters lived overseas. Many states say it legally cannot provide all of this information. Others express concern about how the information might be used. Joining me now more is cnn White House Reporter jeremy diamond. As i look through the list and read the cnn article about this, what struck me even some red states are pushing back against this request. Reporter thats right. Weve seen some fiery pushback from some of the secretaries of state from some of these republican states, including from particularly fiery response from the secretary of state of mississippi my reply would be they can go jump in the gulf of mexico and mississippi is a great state to launch from. Criticism from democrats, governor mcauliffe i have no intention of honoring this request. This entire commission is based on specious and false notion there was widespread voter fraud last november. The white house is pushing back on a lot of this criticism from republicans and democrats. The president on saturday took to his favorite medium of course, to twitter, to say numerous states are refusing to give information to the very distinguished voter fraud panel. What are they trying to hide . I just spoke a little bit ago with the Vice President s spokesman mark lauder, chairing this commission. He points out what the commission is asking for, not asking for any private information. The letters that were sent to these states are largely the same and they list a number of pieces that this commission would like to get from some of these states. Thats where there seems to be a little bit of a disconnect between this Voter Fraud Commission and some of the states that are pushing back. Weve had some of the states pushing back and saying were not going to provide any private information. Were only going to provide publicly available information, and that in effect would be it appears complying with this request, but nonetheless, as you point out there has been a lot of criticism of this in part driving from the intentions of this commission, number of states pointing out that voter fraught is not as widespread as the president and some of the members of this committee have tried to portray. You remember of course the president soon after coming into office said he believes several Million People had voted illegally in the 2016 election. Right, and in the confusion you sum this up, jeremy, but some states are eagerly complying with this it seems and other states say its illegal to hand over this information. So how does that square . Yes, thats right. There seems to be two things happening here. One of them is concern from some of these states over states rights and not having the federal government involved in elections, which is supposed to be something ruled by the states, and then another part of this is the politics of it. Some of these states particularly the democratic states taking an opportunity to point out that this commission was set up on a flawed premise, the premise that the president believes millions of people voted illegally in the 2016 election, something for which of course there is no evidence at all and the white house has not put forth any evidence to that effect. Jeremy diamond, thank you so much. 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